Palestinians and Jews

I dont know enough to comment on their situation (as far as if they should leave)

Personally I dont think the US should get involved.

I saw a little bit on the Today show and was watching the poor people leave their homes that they had for 40 years They moved them back into Israel and was said that some families are getting 200,000-300,000. But that can't make up for losing your job, your house that you've had for years and years.

And no, I don't think the U.S needs to get involved. They've been fighting since Bible times, how can one country change what is happeneing? I mean we have our own racial problems still in the United States. If we can't fix them here how can we fix them there??

I wrote a research paper on the Camp David Accords. He helped form a peace tready between Isreal and Egypt which has lasted all these years. It would take a he!! of a diplomat to work a peace tready in this situation. I'm not sure even Carter could do it. I think mediation only works when both parties are willing to come to the table and broker a deal. I'm not sure that's the case here.

I also have not enough information to comment but I'm going to anyway

I know it is rough on the Jewish people having to leave their homes and businesses after 40 years, but it was just as hard on the Palestinian people when they had to leave their homes 40 years ago. Some of those people had been on the land for generations and were told, nope, get out, we have decided to give this land to the Jewish people.

I know that after the devastation of WW2 the Jewish people needed a nation of their own, some where to call home and feel safe, unfortunately the people who already called that land home were kicked out.

The situation was, is and always will be wrong on so many levels, I think it was a case of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.

I do not have a solution, I wish to God I did, but 100's if not 1000's have died because of this 'solution'.

I hope that they can find an answer but I seriously doubt they ever will, if it was possible to seperate religion from the question and have it posed strictly as a humanitarian effort I think it might have been possible to establish a working solution, but as long as religion is mixed in nothing will ever be solved because both sides think they have the 'God/Allah given right' to the land and as their lives are so surrounded by hate, death and destruction the only thing that makes any sense of the needless death and suffering is the fact that it is 'God's/Allah's' will and they are fighting a holy war, if they now sit down and work out a solution strictly on humanitarian grounds all of the past devastation will be for nothing.

They have backed themselves into a corner that neither side can back down from.

And no I do not think that the US should get involved, this problem has been there for 1000's of years and all the US will get out of it is a lot of grief, probably from both sides as no matter what solution is come up with both sides will feel they got the worst of it. Why should the US have to send more of their soldiers to die so they can get nothing but world wide condemnation for 'interfering'.

I agree that the US should stay out of it. Wendy is right...they have been fighting since Biblical times and it will not end until the end of the world.

I was going to leave this one alone but....I do have an opinion and it's not a popular one. I think we, the United States, must help these nations work towards peace. I am a Christian and my beliefs are strictly Bible based. That said, I believe the Jews are God's chosen people and peace is not likely for that region until the end times. However, the day that the United States stops supporting Israel and the Jewish people is the day that the U.S. will stop recieving God's blessings. I am not saying that the US is a perfect place, far from it. I do think that we are blessed far beyond other nations in the world. We also have a Christian president in office now and as a Christian, if he stands firm in his belief in doctrine, will continue to support Israel even if it means loss of support from the American citizens. If any one is interested in this I can explain a little more. But it is just my opinion as a fundamental Christian.

teacherinct Jews werethe choosen people but then they disobeyd God. When they disobeyed God they were cursed. It always amazes me to know that Christians THINKThe jews respect yall. I have news for you. I know many jewish people and the way they talk about Christians make me wanna puke. The ones I have met and talked to are hypocrites and they do and will always talk about Jesus and Mary badly.

Me being a muslim know all of the 3 religions Christianity, Judaism and Islam. I reverted to Islam many years ago so I know, cause I have studied.

About the jews being kicked out of palestine, well do yall know what's happening there? Do you know how many families they have killed on a daily basis? Do you know what they do to the Muslims/Christians and others there? It's horrid! and America is closed eyed about everything. It's like American's live in a bubble and don't care if other people in the world are suffering. It would do us a great favor and be very usefull to use what is called books and practice the " OLD FORGOTTEN HABBIT OF READING " and this is my advice read first and learn and then talk about the things that you have Absolutely no idea about.

You need to read more and know what the jews say about Christians and other religions! yall practically worship the jews. If you only knew... And before you say anything.. I was a Practicing christian woman for over 30 yrs.. So, I know what the bible says... I would NEVER disrespect any of God's 3 religions or another other religions in that matter.

Us muslims believe in Jesus "peace be upon him" and we believe him Mary "Peace be upon her" ...

And just to clear something up.. Allah is God and the ARab/christians call God Allah also. It's in Arabic.. Just like Dios is God in Spanish.. Same God..

If anyone has any questions about Islam it would be nice to pm me and I will explain.. I just feel that no one knows about Islam and everyone judges without even knowing anything. I didn't come here to make trouble but to stand my ground. and Lady Knight, thanks for that it all made sense..


Please click on the links above and find out what Islam is ....

Why didn't they open up their land to the Jews! You know why? Cause they didn't want them there.. They wanted them as far away as possible.. The jews have no where to go! They Or shall i say Zionist! cause I have many Jewish friends who condem what the zionist are doing in palestine now... If yall only knew... HOw the zionist are ruling america.

Mishka--Are you kidding me? First of all, I will not debate my beliefs with you. What I did was state my personal opinion (which I was very clear about). I did not attack any other religions. Maybe I'm mistaken, but did I ever say I thought the Jewish people "respect" (your word NOT mine) Christians? Of course not b/c that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. What I was trying to explain was that I (me, personally) believe fundamentally in the Bible.

However, you seem quite content to be on the offensive. I would not use this forum to try to change anyone's beliefs b/c it is not the place. You seriously can't think I would take anything you say seriously? You were rude and condescending to imply that I don't read or know what I'm talking about. Again, it was personal opinion question. No wrong answers--just opinions. As adults, most of us on here can read other people's opinions without verbally attacking them. I read-- A LOT. I am very knowledgable about what I was speaking about and my personal beliefs and Christianity. Unlike you, I do not concern myself with what other people (Jews, Muslims, etc) say about my faith.

First of all. Im by no means attacking YOU. I'm not trying to push my beliefs on YOU or any other memeber here. It's just funny how no one knows anything about the Middle east and YOU included. So, what now your God? Meaning this statement..
However, the day that the United States stops supporting Israel and the Jewish people is the day that the U.S. will stop recieving God's blessings..
^ what you said... How do you know that the usa will stop recieving God's blessings? That's not for you or anyone to know, only God. I already said my peace and made my statement and won't talk to Ignorant people as yourself. At least the other girls said they can't comment on something they know nothing about.. Maybe you should of did just that... Anyways,, I won't come back here, cause I know that YOU or anyone won't ever change the way I feel about what I said...

If I were YOU I would go read! about how the Zionist talk about YOU christians! and stop worshiping them..

You don't have to waste your time in replying back cause I won't come back to read YOUR nonsense!!!

Cause it's americans like YOU who make America look bad!!!!
Wake up!!!

edited to add: I've lived in the middle east and alll around the world! and seen first hand! what's going on there! I speak 5 diffrent languages! also! I think I can say what I said! meaning I know a heck of alot more than the average american. Peace out!!!

Don't worry Abby ... the rest of us know you are extremely intelligent and can voice your opinions without being rude or offensive. There's always got to be at least one in the bunch that can't seem to do the same.

Just out of curiosity, do we have any members who currently live in the middle east?

Thanks Dawn. I was wondering if it were just me? Hehehe. Maybe I missed the part where I said I "worshipped Jews". Give me a break. I'm actually ashamed I wasted my time on this.

Mishka--I stand by what I said as my PERSONAL OPINION. It makes me laugh that someone can tell me I'm wrong when it's my personal opinion.

There are a lot of things that we know for a fact have happened in the past. There are a lot of people who actually existed. They were born, they had jobs, they had children, they held offices, they fought in wars, they died. It's proven in history. There's documentation to back it up. We know it for a fact.

Opinions are not facts. Many times they are based on facts, but still, it's an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's why it is their opinion. But they're not entitled to bash somebody else's opinion or kill them because they don't agree. That's what makes this country great.

If you aren't Muslim, you can't fully understand or believe what Muslims believe. The same goes for being Jewish, Christian, or anything else. As a side note, there are many different "faiths" in Christianity that believe many different things. Not all Christians agree on what they believe. Just because someone (educated or not) makes a general statement about "all Jews" or "all Muslims" or "All Christians," that doesn't necessarily mean that 100% of that category of people all believe that exact thing.

These two groups have been at odds ever since Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. It's a historical fact. They've been at odds since long before Palestine was ever a state. They both believe that they have legitimate claims to this land, and nobody's going to back down. My opinion based on historical facts and just watching what goes on in the world today is that this fight isn't over a piece of land. It's over being God's chosen people.

Abby, I think what you said was very well thought out, and I'm with you 100%.

OK I have had to go back and reread the thread to see what I wrote, I do not think I wrote anything that would agree with this poster, did I??

If I wrote anything that offended anyone I am truly sorry, but I must say I still stand by my opinion. Please tell my though if I came off as sounding racially intolerant or religiously bigoted because you all know me well enough to

A) Tell me the truth if I did do either of those things
B) Know I had no intention of doing any such thing.

No, Maree... I think what you said was fine. You're 100% entitled to your opinion. I don't think it's you that she had the problem with.

Since this is a debate, I wanted to comment on this. How are Jews currently Gods chosen people? I could be wrong, but isn't it true that they don't believe in Jesus Christ our savior? As a Christian you know what that means.

You say 'support',. What exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean we should get involved? I don't understand how not getting involved would cause us to stop recieving his blessings.

I forgot to add that I think the US should mind it's own business. I love all people, so it's nothing against Jews, I just agree with Wendy that we're not going to change what's happening.

I agree with you Abby and Dina. There will never be any peace there until end times. Jerm is SO much more Bible-knowledgable tthan I am, so I will ask him more about what it says on this subject.

Dina, I'm aware that she did not have a problem with my post. I was concerned that she appeared to be 'agreeing with me' and as I had just read her rant - sorry, her post - I was concerned that I had come off sounding like a raving lunatic/bigot.

I still do not think that America should be involved and for the same reason, America will always be blamed for everything that happens in the region if they are seen to be the 'peacemakers' of a ceasefire that (given the several 1000 year history) fails. And why should any more American blood be spilt for a non-winnable situation.

I do not believe in religion and this situation is one of the biggest reasons why.

If, as a humanitarian aid solution, Palestine had been asked (along with the neighbouring countries) to donate some land to make up a homeland for a people who had just suffered a catastrophic holocaust that had resulted in over 6,000,000 deaths and left so very, very many deeply wounded in body and soul, I'm sure that something could have been worked out.

But they had to bring 'religion' into it, and instead of everyone feeling good about what they had done, or had received, the ''givee's'' were left feeling bitterly resentful at being thrown off land that had been 'theirs' for thousands of years, and the ''receivers'' seemed to feel it was fine to displace the population bc 2000 years or so ago their relatives came from the area.

By this way of thinking an awful lot of us are going to need a new home land, including several million americans, bc by the same rules of occupancy, America needs to be returned to the Amerindians, Australia to the Aborigine's, New Zealand to the Moriori's, oop's, can't do that the Moari's ate them all, so better return it to the Moari's. Even most of England would need to get out of the country that saxons invaded and took over. Antartic and the Arctic are going to be very crowded as the only two continents on the planet with no displaced original populations most of us are going to have to move there.

The whole situation is simply tragically ridiculous. Without both sides having a ''God given right'' to the land something could have been worked out, but as both sides see admitting the other side has a legimate grievance as heresy, nothing but heartache and disaster will ever follow.

Which is very ironic and both Christian and Muslim religions are based on peaceful and loving concepts (all except those important, non textual phrases, that seem to state "Love thy fellow man, unless he looks/sounds/believes different to thyself, in which case feel free to vilify and murder him".)

From what I know Tara (my boyfriend is Jewish but I don't pretend to understand much of it), Jewish people do not think that Jesus was the son of God or that because Jesus was born we are saved or forgiven of our sins. Jesus did not meet their expectation of the Messiah

Also to touch a little on what Abby said... the Bible repeatedly makes the statement that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse the nation will be cursed. I think that it shows up a few times in Genesis and in Numbers off the top of my head.

I have seen Muslims and Jews embrace one another and call one another brother and sister. I have lived in Egypt where I saw Muslims, Jews and Christians (probably others too) living in mutual respect and peace. My BIL is an Orthodox Jew and serving in the military. When he was in the Middle East, he was embraced by Muslims and they discussed all they have in common. Because honestly, they do have a lot in common especially if you look at their dietary laws.

I do think it's possible for Isreallis and Palestinians to live in peace and mutual respect, but not until that is what both sides want badly enough to put aside their differences and work towards that goal. I never thought that I would live to see the day of peace in Northern Ireland, but it happened after literally centuries of continuous war.

A good film about this issue from the Palestinian perspective is Paradise Now. It is a foreign language film made by Palestinians in Isreal. It explores all sides of the issue (from the Palestinian perspective). Not all Palestinians support the violence. This film shows these people as well as ones who think the only solution to dealing with Isreallis is violence.

A small point, it is not fair to call all Jews Isrealli. Isreallis are citizens of Isreal while Jews are followers of Judism no matter where they might live. Not all Jews are happy about the violence in Isreal either. I'm sure there are a considerable number of Isreallis who would support at peaceful solution in mutual respect to this conflict as well.

What I am saying is there are people who want peace on each side and among each faith, but they are not being listened to very well at this time. However, that may change with time. Maybe not even a lot of time. The violence among the Irish was pretty bad in the 70s and now look at them? Living in peace. It can happen even after hundreds of years of violence and ill feeling.

Maree--I was wondering what she was agreeing with also since your post (as always) was tolerant, intelligent and open minded.

Tara--Yes, I do think the US should be involved in peace talks with Israel.