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Anger and hatred

post #1 of 24
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I have posted a great deal about the things my mother has done in the past, however, last night tops them all. The hurt and anger adn just pure hatred I feel at the moment I cannot even begin to explain. She called me names and brought things up from the past that had no revelance to our argument. She started out with one thing and then moved on to something completely different turning the entire argument into something that was "my fault" She brought up things from no less than 20 years ago. She doesn't seem to remember me ever saying I forgave her for the crap she did when I was little when I clearly did. Clearly sat there several years ago telling her I forgave. her. It went from her being p!ssed off at George for working and only making $12 an hour ( LONG story) to the fact that her mother sent money to get the kids a few things for Christmas ( that was NEVER asked of her and it was actually sent by my uncle, it was HIS money) Nothing was ever asked of my mother to do anything for the boys for Christmas. No, they aren't going to have a great Christmas, but At least they will have something. She was livid about all of this and it came out of the blue. She was sitting there fine one minute and then just stormed out of my apartment and tore off like a bat out of he** the next. She came back. She asked me what George and I were going to make sure the kids had for Christmas that SHE didn't do for them. ( It wasnt her money and my Dad's parents are getting them stuff to open at their house Christmas eve) I told her, a roof over their heads and lights on. She got p!ssed at me for that. Said George wasn't trying and that he shouldn't eat dinner but save that money for the kids Christmas or.. something like that it was insane. Nope, he's not trying. He's at work every single day that there isn't rain, even on saturdays and sundays when they will let him work. He gets there on time and stays until he has to leave when everyone else does. He is there CONSTANTLY. He's not at home sitting on his butt doing nothing. She's really mad at my dad who is making $6.50/hr MAYBE 15 hours a week. I can understand her being mad at that. He won't look for something else, but it wouldn't matter, nothing makes her happy anymore. NOTHING. Unless Dad could find a way to pull in 3 to 4 thousand a month while staying at home with her, she will never be happy. She then moved on from that ( after I pointed out that George was in fact, not dad and was trying adn she apologized.. half heartedly after blowing up at him infront of the kids) to me blaming her for everything that has ever gone wrong in my life ( which I do not, and have not since I was about 16) to me not forgiving her for that period she was drinking every single day all day long. ( Which as I stated earlier, I had) She then proceeded to start accusing George and I of abuse, because Duncan's brothers mess with him and want his attention and won't leave him alone etc. And because we raise our voices to them and believe in spanking (as she did when I was little. If what we do is abuse.. then God someone should have arrrested her when I was a little girl) There was one point I couldn't breathe, couldn't catch my breath from crying so hard. She kept threatening to leave and all this other stuff. I wish now I had let her. She's also been threatening to kill herself. Half way through this..."conversation" She said there are times she sits there and stares at her pills and how easy it woule be to take them all if it wasn't for me and the kids and.. to be perfectly honest, the first thought that popped into my head was.."I wish you would". How bad is that? How can someone think like that about their own mother? How awful dos that make me? I just can't handle it anymore. And now I am terrified that if I do keep the kids from going over there, or if I hash this out with ehr anymore, or write down my feelings and tell her, that she will kill herself and then it will be all my fault. I've tried in the past and again last night when she brought it up to explain that yes, I can be cold and unfeeling at times because it tis the way I HAVE to be sometimes, it is the only way I can cope sometimes. She didn't care why I did it. She thinks I told her before I was proud of it. I'm not, I told her I'm not. She doesn't care. I tried to tell her that lately it was coming across that no one was allowed to feel any certain way . But she was allowed to feel anyway she wanted. I know she's got this illness that messes with her brain. I get that, but this is more than that, this is my mother turning into her mother. This is just plain.. cruel. She was talking about "someone" taking the kids away from me. First, NO ONE NO judge in their right Mind would ever hand any child over to her. Second.. I have friends all over this country and I swear to all I hold sacred, she would never find us.
post #2 of 24
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She's not right. There is more to her than her illness. There is another kind of mental illness going on with her and I am terrified to do anything about it. She hates. She hates everything and everyone. And now, because of all she said last night, I hate. I hate her. There are few people in my life I have ever actually Hated. I believe that is an extremely strong word and I don't use it lightly. But I hate her.
I miss my mother in law. I miss her so bad right now. I don't have a mother figure anymore and I haven't had one for a while. Thanksgiving was so good with my mom. The weekend we went shopping was so much fun, but I can't continue this. And i don't know what to do. I know I caanot hold all this hatred in my heart. I'ts not good for me, the baby, the kids, George. It's just not good. You don't have to reply to this. I just needed to get it out.
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post #4 of 24
hon. We are always here for you to vent - sometimes it does help to get it out.

I doubt she truly has the gumption to take all those pills, but even if she did, understand that YOU would have ABSOLUTELY NO FAULT. She would be doing it to herself - it would be between her, those pills, and her God. Remember that, for your own sanity.

It's not bad to think like that about her, really. I have had fleeting thoughts like that myself. I am a firm believer that thoughts are not bad - actions can be. You stay strong for George and your kids, and keep your faith, and everything will be fine. Christmas isn't about "stuff" anyhow - I learned that a long time ago. Sounds like your mom hasn't figured that out yet.

We're here if you need us.
post #5 of 24
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thank you Judy. Ya know a great deal of it has to be that if she can't be perfectly happy, she doesn't want anyone else happy. Without a phone I can't even call my bestfriend and talk to her about any of this.
post #6 of 24
First of all,
Second of all:
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Second.. I have friends all over this country and I swear to all I hold sacred, she would never find us.
D@mn right! And all of those friends have friends, and so forth. You would all be protected, and she would go trying to find you.
You hit the nail on the head. She's not happy, so no one else can be. That business about killing herself, it's just a manipulation. She's using it so that you will do just what she wants out of fear of the thought that it could push her to kill herself. It's horribly selfish of her to treat you this way, not to mention cruel. As if you need this stress right now. You and George love each other and your kids, and I know how hard you are trying AND I know how much it hurts you that it's been like this. Man, I wish I could come up there and her for you. You do not deserve this, you do not need this, and most of all you do not have to take that crap from her. Do NOT let her make you feel guilty, and do not feel guilty for distancing yourself. Sometimes space is healthy, and I think it definitely would be in this case.
I am here for you. Hang in there.
post #7 of 24
Shona hon We are here for you and we all care about you. Dont let the pitty party from your mom get to you it just sounds like jealousy to me. My mom and your mom are ALOT ALOT alike that is why I spend lots of time with my dad and not alot with my mom. She has her moment and can pull things from 20ys ago that I did etc. Also George is a good man all men have their flaws but he provides for his family and he isnt just sitting eating bon bon's and not working. She need to grow up and if she cannot act like a rational person then I would say step back and take her outta the picture for awhile. We did this with my mom for more than a year due to issues we were having with her. HUGE HUGE for you this is NOT what you need right now I wish I was closer and we could go have a coffee and vent about our moms.
post #8 of 24
It sounds to me like she's miserable with her life and she's going to make sure you don't enjoy yours. I don't think there's any way to make that woman happy, so don't let her take you down with her. It's really a shame to see people turn into what they dislike the most about others, isn't it??? I've watched that in my own family ...

Sounds like you need a few more
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post #10 of 24
I’m so sorry, honey! Some people will never be truly happy. So, they find some sick pleasure in trying to bring everybody down to their level to be unhappy with them.
post #11 of 24
Hon I am so sorry that your mother is putting you through all this. (it sounds like she doesn't deserve the title of mom right now--anyone can be a mother but it takes a very special loving woman (such as yourself) to be called a mom).

You know you can vent here....or to me any time you need to. You need to be able to vent your anger and release it hon in any way you can. You are right, holding it in is not good....can you possibly tell her next time (if there is a next time) that if that is the way she feels about you and or George then there is the door.....and until she is ready to accept who you both are and how you raise your children (which you do a great job of by the way) then use that door, and don't let it hit her in the arse on the way out?) yeah I know easier said than done.....

I had to do that with my dad. It was the hardest thing that I ever had to do, but it was the best thing that I ever did. (of course the situation was different, but not easy non the less) :Hug:
post #12 of 24
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Thank you all so much. I really needed your support today. It's been worse than he** on me.

To be honest, I don't know what to do. I know that in a couple of days, she will either forget what happened or just pretend it didn't happen. If I honestly thought she wouldn't try to kill herself, yes, I would have her out of my life in an instant. She's not a good influence on my kids no matter how much they love her. Thank you for letting me get it all out.
post #13 of 24
Shona, even if she does do anything to harm herself, it is not and never will be your fault. Please know that.
post #14 of 24
Shona... first off next I'm gonna say some things you may not like about your Mom, and the relationship you all have. Remember that I love you and I'm on your side okay.
I have met your Mom, and spent time around her remember this, I've seen her work face to face. I do believe that she loves you, but Honey she hasn't ever let you go. She is pissed as hell right now I bet because she's not in control any more and you two are making it without her. You and George lived with her, and tried to leave and didn't manage it for a very long time. Everytime you two would get close, she got sick again so you couldn't leave. That was her manipulating you, and making herself seem sicker than she was at times. Or that's how it appeared to the rest of the family.
Remember back when you two were first married, and living out on your own when Duncan was a baby and we came to visit? You two were so happy, and you were making it. Than you moved home to help them out, and that gave them (her) power. She kept that power and used it to keep you all close for years. She was happier when she was calling the shots, she had control.

She doesnt' anymore, you two decided to leave and do what was best for you and the boys. And it was the right decision! They followed you, so that they could be close. Now she's mad, she expected you all to need her again, even though it was the other way really, and you aren't doing it.
Yes, your life isn't all honey and flowers, its a struggle, like all life is. But you two are making it, the boys have a loving and happy home, even if it isn't a rich home. This makes her angry so she's taking it out on you. Honey don't give her the power to make you miserable. the threat of suicide is to manipulate you into feeling you did something wrong, but you haven't. If, God forbid, she follows thru on the threat, it's not your fault its hers, and her sickness. You can't control that. It doesn't make you evil to wish that the person who is making you miserable was gone. I love your Mom, because she's your Mom. But she isn't being a good Mom right now. You don't need to talk to her, George does. He needs to tell her that she needs to back off and give you some space, this stress isn't good for the baby. If she needs to be mean and hateful she just needs to stay home.
We love you... you could run all the way to Germany if you wanted, the house is big enough.
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post #16 of 24
that was very well said Heather.

Shona I know i don't knwo your mom from a hole in the ground but I think that from what you have told us in the past and stuff about her, Heather has it pegged just right. Listen to her advice
post #17 of 24
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Thank you both.

Heather I'm not mad at you, I never am when you say what you think. You're right. I am trying to see things from her side, but I just can't. I mean, we need to work on not yelling at the kids so much, but other than that, she's way off.

They came over tonight to bring Ian home ( he spent the night because he'd been promised for a week that he could and I couldn't tell him no) They picked the boys up from school and brought them home too. Last night I offered to help them with $100 worth of our food stamps because they combined November and december and we can afford to help them when they have nothing. She was p*ssed at me because I take her shopping instead of her and dad just taking my card and going. She finally said ok, to me taking her shopping and then while I was changing clothes, told my dad nevermind and they were leaving. After about 5 minutes or so, He came back in and asked if I just wanted to get out of the house and I lied and said no, I needed to pick up some things too. So she finally agreed to let me take her. I guess it never once occurred to her that I didn't want her knowing just how much we had left on our card. It has to last us well into January and if she knew what I had on it, it would be gone.
I took her shopping, we were gone about an hour and a half she spent right at $100 and that was that. Why you might ask, did I agree to do something for her? Because they really didn't have the money for groceries and I didn't want her going hungry.
In the car she started things again and I told her to just stop it I wasn't doing it. She said something about hating to see people make me cry, well.. WTF does she think she did to me last night? She said she cried herself to sleep over what happened last night. You think I really freakin' care?
No, I don't. I hope this weighs on her for years. The things she said to me NO mother should EVER say and she can kiss my ass
post #18 of 24
I am glad that you told her to stop hon and that she "somewhat" respected you........i guess in her way
post #19 of 24
I'm glad you aren't upset. She has no right to tell you how to raise the boys. I'm glad that you told her to stop when she started in again. You have to let me know when your phone works again. Miss you
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post #22 of 24
I've read a lot of your posts about your mother and it sounds like she is fighting sevre depression and other mental illnesses as well. This is not your fault. I don't know if she has medicaid or not, but the time has definitely come for her to see a qualified psychatrist and get these deep issues taken care of. Medication can help a lot, but if she's bringing up issues from your childhood and blaming you for stuff, then it goes deeper than a chemical imbalance. I know how hard it is to say "Mom, I am concerned for you. You are a danger to yourself and others. You need to seek medical/professional attention immedidately." Frankly, in most states, you could get your mom committed for 30 days for the stuff she's been saying and doing.

I know how hard it is to deal with and face depression. But there comes a point when a person must take responsibility for her own feelings and actions and hopefully do something positive about it. Until she does something about this issue, I don't see how you can have a lot of contact with her. Her pressence is becoming destructive to you and your well being. I hope I haven't upset you with what I am saying.

I think you are a wonderful person and a great mother. And you really don't need this especially when you are pregnant and your own emotions are so up in the air due to hormones.
post #23 of 24
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Lenora, Thank you so much and you didn't upset me. My mom has had psychiatric help.. just not enough of it apparently. She's been just fine since all that happened. Nothing else has even been said. I knew that's what was going to happen. I am still extremely wary of her, and what she might do or say at any moment, but for now.. I am going to leave things as they are. She and my dad are going through a lot as a couple right now, and I am just trying to live MY life and worry about MY family.
post #24 of 24
Exactly. If she's treating you this way, imagine how she treats her dh whose there to take her abuse all the time and has no other home to escape to. You have to look out for your and yours first. Sometimes it takes the shock of others not wanting to have anything to do with them that makes a person realize they really do have a problem.
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