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Help... my daughter is out of control

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Life has never been easy with Haley but things are just going downhill the older she gets. I'll start with the basics and then go in to the more serious situations we have faced in the last few days.
She continues to have issues getting homework done. Some evenings she will sit for HOURS getting everything done (I'll check it) and still manages to misplace it by the time she needs to turn it in to her teacher. I've tried helping her get organized and stick to a plan so she'll always know where her work is, but it isn't working. She does not seem school as a priority at all right now.
The fighting at home is getting worse. She screams and hits the other kids (mostly Zach) and is mouthier than ever... she's even gotten to the point of talking back to her babysitter. It's not just talking back either... there is that attitude behind it that sends it over the top.
Two days ago I let Haley spend the day with her best friend (it was a teacher work day) while I was at work. I knew the girls planned to go to the library but that was it. Driving home from work at around 7pm, I passed by a group of kids hanging out in a parking lot and noticed one of them was my daughter. I swung the car around and called her over to the car. She was wearing a miniskirt, had stuffed her bra to a ridiculous size, and had tons of black make-up around her eyes. I ordered her in to the car and let her have it. Of course she felt like a victim and swore she didn't understand why I was mad because she was only 2 blocks from her friend's house. She also said I'm horribly mean for not letting her wear make-up the way she wants to and even cried when I told her it looked ridiculous... this was the first time I had said it so harshly as other times I tried to be gentle and tell her that until she was older and could properly apply make-up she needed to keep it minimal. She has lost the priviledge of going anywhere but the babysitter's house and has to okay her clothes and face with me before leaving the house. She thinks this is extremely harsh punishment when in reality I should have taken a belt to her butt and grounded her for life.
Then a few weeks ago while at the mall Haley asked if she could get another hole in her ears. I told her that I didn't have the money for it and if she really wanted it done, we could pierce them at home... meaning that I have a starter set and would do it for her. Yesterday I came home and she kept putting her hands up to her ears and obviously hiding something. When I finally said something, she admitted to having tried to pierce her own ears with a safety pin! When I told her how dangerous that is she looked right at me and twisted my words into my having told her she could do it.
I don't know what to do anymore. Her behavior embarrasses me and the fact that she always plays the innocent victim in it drives me mad. I'm beyond thinking I can reason with her or make her understand the image she is making for herself and the dangers she puts herself in, and instead just have to play dictator and make all her decisions for her.
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wow... i have no advice for you....but I hope that things get better!!
post #3 of 18

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FWIW, I think you're doing the right things.

Dammit, things would be so much easlier if they'd just stay little !
post #4 of 18

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I'm just offering up hopefully I will have a few years before dealing with it.
post #5 of 18

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I wish I had some words of wisdom here, but I don't... I think it's just one of those times, remember if you are checking out her clothes before she leaves to check any bags she's carrying, or that she isn't just layering acceptable stuff over unacceptable.
post #6 of 18

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I hate to say it, but it only gets worse from here. Isn't puberty grand? If she is anything like Drew (and it sounds like she is), she is going to push hard and keep right on pushing. The only way we have been able to deal with it is to push back - harder. For the last 2 years, things have been a living he!! around here at time when he starts acting up. And it's worse since his meds no longer work. )Puberty again rears it's ugly head!) Drew has spent most of the past year grounded for one thing or another. He's failing school, he lies, he cheats, he's mean to the other kids, serious attitude problems, total apathy unless it's something HE wants. We have just had to hunker down and stand our ground.

Good news? It's starting to get better, little by little. He is finally starting to realize he can't just do whatever he wants whenever he wants. I suspect the same thing will happen with Haley, but it can be a long hard road getting there - one we are still on, unfortunately.

As far as taking a belt to her butt - it may actually come down to that. I have never been a fan of spanking, but eventually even I had to resort to that with Drew. It's amazing how well it works (even if it did make me physically ill to hit him - so I let Rick do it! LOL!)

I wish I had words of wisdom for you, but all I can really say is hang in there!
post #7 of 18

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It's puberty. Like Brenda said ... just gotta stick to you guns. I know it's hard (going through it right now).
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I don't know how you were when you were her age but I was just like that. To this day my mom and I joke about how we're all shocked I made it through to college and became a successful well adjusted woman.

Try and remember that she's got a lot going on in her head and her heart right now. She's dressing in miniskirts, stuffing her bra, and wearing tons of makeup bc shes not comfortable with her body and self-image. She wants to look (and act) more grown up but she can't, her body and emotions aren't ready for it. It's a complicated time and she probably feels like you don't understand what she's going through. (Even though Im usre you do)

Keep in mind that the punishments are not too harsh. Your daughter might even hate you for it for a while (depending on how long the phase lasts... mine went trhough freshman year at college) but in the end you will get through it and it will all be for the better.

My mom was crazy strict (emphasis on the crazy) bc she knew what kind of dangers were out there. On the one hand it probably kept me out of some trouble, but on the other it made me want to rebel more. Try to talk to you daughter about trust. And that if she starts earning your trust (being honest about where she's going what she's doing) that you might give her a little leeway. (Still keep a super close eye on her though)

In a nut shell... be her mom not her friend. It's going to be rough but it's better than the alternative... And she will still love you no matter how she acts... It's just a phase like they say
post #10 of 18

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My dd already smarts off and gets an attitude with me. Not all the time though. I hate to say it, but if the make up and clothes problems keep up, you may have to get rid of or lock the offending items in your trunk.

I know it's hard, but you are doing the right things. My SIL let her dd walk around like a little tramp at 12 and the poor girl was raped. I am not saying that is going to happen to Haley. I'm just saying that can happen when girls are allowed to run loose and dress as they want. You are on the right track.
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This must be a very trying time for you. I've got a stubborn one so I'm not looking forward to puberty. I'm all for the tough love approach so I think you're doing the right thing. Hopefully someday she will actually thank you for keeping her out of trouble. It's hard at that age when they think they know everything.
post #13 of 18

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i am sooo not looking forward to going through all that with liz All I can say hon is good luck....and remember.....the harder you push.....the harder she is going to push back
post #14 of 18

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:aplause: LooLooGirl Well said.

Dont worry Elaine Brittany is going through it too. (I think they are a year apart). I watch super nanny and pick up pointers there but I swear by it.

I get to Brittany's level and STEARN voice... THis is not acceptable behavior. I send her to her room. She usually appologizes to me. She also needs her time.

I get the hole huffing and puffing and UGH stomping up the stairs. I tell you Girls are Rough.
post #15 of 18

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Oh Elaine I am here if you need to Tween vent!
post #16 of 18

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Elaine (((HUGS)))
Jessica is 17 now and is live and well :rofl:

I don't want to sound harsh or upset you, my intention is not to judge, but to give you advise I was given when i was going through the same stuff with Jess.

Firstly, I don't believe in homework.. I remember loathing it and never saw the point in it. If Hayley doesn't want to fail or get into trouble at school, then she will take the responsability on herself to do the work.
Take the stress off your own shoulders. You can guide her but not force her to be what you want her to be. She wears make up the way she does because it makes her happy and she feels good looking that way.
Nothing "bad" will happen to her if she wears make up the way you don't like it. It's her face, not yours. Imagin if you dressed up to go out one night, thought you looked quite smashing and left with your head held high looking forward to an awesome night and then your bestfriend looked at you and said.. gee your make up looks crap, get it off it's awful.
You'd be pretty crushed hey?
I used to worry about the way Jessica dressed too. I even told her she looked slutty once. I take responsability for degrading her and upsetting her.. and labeling her.
There are much kinder ways of getting your tweens to dress more appropriatly.. if there is such a thing.. infact it's society who seems to deem certain clothing inapropriate.. some countries men, women and children don't even wear clothes and noone bats an eyelid. There is still sexual abuse, rape etc going on in those countries.. clothing has nothing to do with it.
I usually only ask Jessica to dress in something else if she isn't suitably dressed for the weather. Sometimes she takes my advise, other times she doesn't, then regrets the natural consequences the next day when she has a head cold and feels like crap

The answering back, mouthing off, and lashing out, is all hormones, a feeling of being held back and controlled and frustration.
It will pass. You need to work together, respect eachother. You can only teach her respect by showing it to her. It's a darn hard job bringing up children. They have their own will and their on likes, dislikes interests etc and most of the time they don't match our own ideals. We all have to let them be who they are.
As long as they know they are safe at home, they are loved and respected, then they will grow to be well adjusted happy adults.

You are doing fine Elaine. Go easy on yourself. *hugs*
post #17 of 18

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Genie!!!* Where have you been, but thanks for the wisdom.* You choose your battles hey?
post #18 of 18

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it took a while to figure it out. I did choose my battles and I chose to avoid them as much as possible.
Not everything that I don't like needs to be put on my kids, they are issues I need to deal with in myself.

I suggest the book "buddhism for mothers" for mums struggling to cope.. It's my bible
http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Mothe...1WKF655Q3P9598
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