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I told my Dad

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that I am an atheist. it was very hard, because he is very devoutly religious. He took it pretty hard. It was hard for me to tell him news I know he didn't want to hear. But I was supposed to be interviewed by the Washington Post and I didn't want it to come as a big surprise. Only the interview didn't happen or hasn't happened yet. I don't know what's up with that. It was hard like I imagine it is for gays and lesbians to tell their families. But now it is out and I can be myself.

I know it was just as hard for him to hear as it was for me to say. He felt really bad about bombing on receiving the news, so he called and left me a really sweet message. Ahhhh....

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I was going to be interviewed by the Post about my protests that helped put an end to spiritual evaluations of VA patients. As part of the normal exam questionaire, VA patients were asked a series of questions about how often they attend church, where they attend church, how would they rate their spiritual life, etc. This was for everything from life threatening illnesses to athlete's foot (which is what I went in for when I was asked these questions). I felt my spiritual life (Or lack thereof) was none of the government's business. So I wrote a lot of letters and made some phone calls and it stopped. They replaced that with a questionaire about PTSD.

Now the VA is handing out blatently religious pamphlets. Of course, I am doing something about that too. People don't expect to get religious pamphlets from the DMV, the Tax office or the police station. The VA is a government agency as well. The government really has no business telling people what to believe or what not to believe. Chaplin services are available for a wide variety of faiths which everyone at the VA knows. And if they don't know there is a large chapel disceptively labeled "Chapel" in large, red letters that is a dead giveaway.

There is no need to hand out pamphlets on how to pray, properly read the Bible or what the Bible really means. It always surprises me that people of faith don't get upset about this stuff too. Don't people of faith want some privacy, too? Do they really want the government telling them what to believe?

Strangely enough, my Dad, a person of deep devotion to god, agreed with me.
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What about the people that do want that information (not the questions that stopped but the pamphlets)? I know you say it's readily available if they are looking for it, but what if they are in a confused state and one of those pamphlets would give them that uplift that they need to seek out the help? I personally see nothing wrong with the pamphlets. And I've spent many years at VA hospitals in the past due to my grandfather having appointments and being a patient there so I've seen people in all different states of mind and stages of life who might have welcomed these pamphlets as they waited for an appointment or were lying in their beds. Many of them may have needed some spiritual guidance that reading a pamphlet may have encouraged them to seek.

I'm not trying to start a debate here but as a believer in God, I think our rights are being taken away by those that don't believe in God. The only place we're suppose to talk about God anymore is in our homes or in our churches because doing so elsewhere might offend someone. In my opinion, our rights are being stomped.

I do believe everyone should fight and stand up for what they believe in so I admire that you're doing that. I just happen to disagree with what you're trying to do.
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To put them in the chapel is one thing to put them in the main waiting area is another. The VA is government agency. No one is stopping anyone from talking about God, reading the Bible or praying wherever they like.

What I am talking about is the VA, a government agency, handing out religious pamphlets, in effect endorsing, a particular set of Christian beliefs. Even Christians do not all believe the same way. If they are going to put out relgious pamphlets, it should be all possible belief systems. Can you see how that could get complicated? There's dozens of Christian, Muslim, Buddist and Hindu sects out there. And that's just the major ones!

No other government agency that I know if hands out religious pamphlets. Why should the VA?

If a person is confused or in the state of mind to need mental help, the VA has literally batallians of psychologists, pyschatrists, doctors, nurses, and PAs whose only purpose is to help people with mental health conditions. There are also leagues of Chaplins available right there at the VA. If a person's particular faith is not represented there, a minster of that faith will be called in immediately if desired.

The VA staff is very well trained to recognize mental health problems. Not to be rude but when were you last at the VA? My VA has two whole floors dedicated soley to mental illness. Plus the intake questionaire every vet must answer before every physical health appointment has a battery of questions on mental health issues.

The VA is quite prepared to handle any mental health problem a person might have and they are quite adept at idenitifying those with mental health concerns. If a person wants to talk with a Chaplin rather than a mental health professional, there is one right there - wandering around. Usually there are two chaplins there - a Catholic and a Protestant minister.

How is a pamphlet going to do a better job than a flesh and blood person? How exactly is any faith being stepped on when a minister of choice is available at a moments notice, there is a big chapel and a prayer room?

But for the VA to actually endorse a faith is wrong, not to mention, against the Constitution.
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I am sure it was hard telling Dad. Glad he took it well.

I agree. Handing them out everywhere isn't right. The last thing I would want is someone stopping me on my way to an appointment telling me I need to be saved or other religious stuff. Placing the literature in the chapel seems the best way to handle it.

BTW - is it still a chapel if I meet a rabbi in there?
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It's been a few years, as my grandfather has passed away, since I've been to a VA hospital.

I have not seen the pamphlets you're talking about so I can't actually speak on them, but I still don't see anything wrong with a religious pamphlet being available to everyone if they want it. I do think someone handing them out as you walk in the door is invasive and wrong, but having them there where people can see them and read them I see is perfectly okay. That's my thinking. I don't see what's wrong with placing them in the general waiting area.
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It's still called the Chapel no matter who meets in there - even if it is a priest of Native African beliefs (called VooDoo by some). The pamphlets were put in a permant holder in place of other pamphlets on high blood pressure, cholesytrol, diabetes, etc. Someone physically removed the VAs authorized health care pamphlets and replaced them with pamphlets on how to pray, what the bible really means, etc. There were no pamphlets representing anything but one brand of Protestant Christianity. Nothing for Catholics or Jews or Muslims or anyone one else.

VA patients also need pertinantly displayed information on health care issues and VA services. The VA put out this holder for their stuff and someone removed their stuff and replaced it with privately printed pamphlets that look exactly like government pamphlets. Unless, a person is into reading copyright information, you would never know these pamphlets were not printed by the government printing office. They were not just laying around like bibles are. They were part of a permnant, promonent display.
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People do hand out Bibles and ask me if I am saved. But they are not VA employees. They do not represent the US government. Yes, it annoys me, but not as much as these pamphlets that parade around like the are officially authorized and printed by the US government when they are not. These pamphlets are sitting side by side actual VA authorized pamphlets interspersed with them. Unless a person actually reads the copyright information, it is impossible to tell which the US Government printed and which were privately printed.

Put the shoe on another foot, would it be okay for Islamic pamphlets to be mixed in with actual US government pamphlets, looking so like them, no one could tell the difference? What about pamphlets on how to practice voodoo? Would that be okay?

Truthfully, if it were Islamic or voodoo pamphlets, I would have complained as well.
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Lenora, I applaud you for telling your dad! That couldn't have been easy! Now you won't have to worry about it anymore.

The VA, as a government agency, is not permitted to distribute or endorse religious literature. Lenora is right to ask to have it removed - it shouldn't have been where it was in the first place.

Rick works at the VA here in Houston and in the hundreds of times I have been there over the past 10 years, I have never seen anything like she is explaining (the phamlets in the holders for medical information). The ONLY place where religious material may be distributed is the tables that are placed next to the doors of the Chapel. A patient may, at any time, ask for material on a specific religion or ask for a representative of a specific religion, and one will be found.

I just asked Rick about it and he said that more than likely, a VA employee placed the material there. This is in direct violation of VA policy. It's one of the few things that will actually get someone fired from the VA.

I admire anyone who stands up for what they believe is right. And in this case, I just happen to agree.
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Originally Posted by Spaggie View Post
Lenora, I applaud you for telling your dad! That couldn't have been easy! Now you won't have to worry about it anymore.

I admire anyone who stands up for what they believe is right. And in this case, I just happen to agree.
I have to agree with Spaggie on both these points.

I am proud of you for telling your Dad Lenora!

And I would be uncomfortable if I walked into a secular office, and was faced with those pamphlets. While I believe in freedom of religion, it is not the place of the government or a government employee to foster belief in people, that is up to individuals to decide for themselves.
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