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Sen. John McCain has picked Alaska Gov. Sarah as his running mate

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"Palin, 44, who's in her first term as governor, is a pioneering figure in Alaska, the first woman and the youngest person to hold the state's top political job.

She catapulted to the post with a strong reputation as a political outsider, forged during her stint in local politics. She was mayor and a council member of the small town of Wasila and was chairman of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's oil and gas resources, in 2003 and 2004.

The conservative Palin defeated two so-called political insiders to win the governor's job -- incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the GOP primary and former two-term Democratic Gov. Tony Knowles in the 2006 general election.

Palin made her name in part by backing tough ethical standards for politicians. During the first legislative session after her election, her administration passed a state ethics law overhaul."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...ate/index.html
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This article is interesting, too:

6 things the Palin pick says about McCain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...lbWeRsRk0DW7oF


I can't afford to vote for McCain after the things he has said about veterans' issues. Either way it will be a historic presidency. My, she is extremely inexperienced. Also, I have concerns about her because she has a baby, whom if I remember correctly, is extremely disabled. I can't help but think she should be worrying about her baby. Sexist of me, I know.
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Her baby has Down Syndrome, and honestly, lots of women with disabled children work. I think she's a great choice, and I am glad he picked her. We have friends who live in Alaska, and they have been very happy with her as a governor.
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I am very excited about the pick.* I think she is a fantastic new choice that will bring good things to our country.She is the Gov of Alaska which means she is in charge of a state which in my opinion is alot more experience than a Senator has in executive decisions.

I love that she is a breast feeding mom with a child with downs syndrome.* What great future possibilities that give us women in my opinion. I am pumped about this.

Also I talked to my brother who is currently serving in the Navy along with his wife who is serving and if McCain is elected he plans on re-signing for another 4 years but if Obama is elected he will get out. Just a little bit of insight.
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I am happy with that choice. I'm just not happy that for the first time in my life, a Prez or VP will be younger than me. Okay, I think Obama is like a month older than me but still...
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I am not stoked about either candidate. But McCain said he was going to cut veterans benefits to everyone who does not have a combat puncture injury. I can't afford for that to happen. Even people who have percussion injuries from bombs going off would not be included. There is a question if he could even do that. But loosing my VA benefits or the potiental of loosing my VA benefits scares the crap out of me. This would include people with PTSD and sevre psychological issues as well.
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I like Sarah Palin because she kicks butt and takes names. Alaska was not in good shape financially when she became governor. Upon becoming governor, she sold the state jet, got rid of most of the hired help at the governor's mansion, and told her kids that nothing was going to change for them, that they were not going to be waited on hand and foot, it would still be chores, etc., and macaroni and cheese. I like that she is raising her kids and making a difference in the greater community.
Also, Pam, I know what you mean. She is not younger than me, but I consider her from my generation. Her youngest son's middle name is Van Halen because that's her favorite bad! I love VH, too! It's the first time a president or vp is from my generation.
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ok, I like her for several major reasons, but.. recently I've found out that she is also a member of the Assembly of God church. I am AoG. I like that she's a mom with a disabled child, that breastfeeds. I like that she is tough on morals. Do I love McCain? Not especially, but I will vote for him over Obama anyday. No not because he's black but for several major reasons, one being .. I don't see how you just turn your back on your religion one day and then decide to run for president. Not when the religion you have denounced calls the country you want to run, Satan. There are more reasons other than my religious beliefs so no one blast me for this..
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I can not vote for Obama based on my religious beliefs so I am left with McCain by defaulf anyway. I agree with most of his platform although his waivering on abortion in the past baffles and digusts me. I like that the VP is totally against abortion and that she is a conservative Christian although not my denomination. We'll see. Obama in the seat scares the cr*p out of me.
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I agree with Abby and Shona about Obama, and Shona, I have your back if anyone blasts you for what you said about Obama and his religious beliefs.
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Shona, me too.
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Thank you laides, I tend to stay out of political discussions and religious ones. It's nice to know someone else feels the same way.

And to be honest, I worry about Obama. I do not think the man will live long enough to complete a full term. I think someone will at least attempt to assasinate him. And that worries me about his family too. That has actually weighed heavily on me lately. Taking into account that he is black ( yeah I know, I'm not PC oh well) and his "former" religion... and a number of other things, I think some nut job wacko out there will think he needs to die.. and try to kill him, leaving his children fatherless. Ok, I'm going to stop now. Sorry.
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As an atheist, neither politician has impressed me with seperation of church and state issues. Neither party has courted the 16% of atheists and agnostics. Obama seems a little stronger on church/state issues, but it's hard to tell these days with all the debates specifically on religion.

So I have to vote based on who's going to help me the most.

McCain: Probably not going to bring down the national debt, shore up social security, tax the wealthiest 1% , end the war in Iraq, and has promised to dramatically cut veterans benefits.

Obama: Will have to reduce the national debt, because he's a Democrat and if he doesn't, he'll get slammed for causing it even though he was not in office and the Democrats were not in power when this started and in fact, the US was in the black (no pun intended) under Bill Clinton; likely to shore up social security, work on improving public schools, end the War on Iraq, end Affirmative Action, he's consistantly voted to help veterans, reform bankruptcy laws so people can keep their homes, Faith based initative reform - so that there can be no tests of faith to be employed at these charities or recieve charity and no more money for luxuries for these mega church preachers, and tax the wealthiest 1%.

The national debt is a big concern for me. I am also hoping Obama will reform Student Loan law, so student loans aren't a life sentence. Too many Congressional members invested heavily in these loans, then passed laws making it so borrows could never pay the loans off.

I hope everyone votes on the candidate that will help them the most.
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We should move this to Debates b/c everyone has lots to say! :-) If you took a student loan shouldn't you pay the loan back? I don't know a lot about that just a question. Seems fair enough. You got an education out of th edeal--pay for it.
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Doesn't influence my views at all. I think that we, as mothers, do the best we can and eventually we have to believe that our children will make the right choices. Will they always? No. And her daughter made a wrong choice. Is that the mother's fault.. eh.. who's to say. Is it my mother's fault I had sex before marriage? no. She taught me to wait. I chose not to. MY choice.
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It was recently in a speech to the DAV. I will try to find it for you. He had my vote until then too.
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Here are some articles:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...thcare_072208/

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

McCain deserts veterans on voting rights, benefits
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs...=2008808290314

McCain Plan Moves Some Out of VA Care
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2069904/posts




The DAV convention was Aug. 9. Those articles are really buried. It may take awhile to find them.
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Abby, I agree with you about the student loan as well. Also, with many careers, if you choose to work in certain locations, a percentage of your student loan is forgiven for every year you work in that area. For example, if someone takes student loans to get through college as a teacher, they can teach at certain schools and for every year they teach there, X amount of dollars of their student loan would be forgiven, and when I was in college, it was basically structured that if you committed to four years, then your loan would be forgiven totally. It is the same with therapists in Georgia. If you work in rural areas where mental health care is less accessible, then your loan is forgiven at a fairly quick rate, and I am sure these are not the only two degree programs where student loans are forgiven like this.
Anyway, we are way off topic here. We are supposed to be discussing Sarah Palin.
And by the way, I agree with Shona. Her 17 year old daughter's pregnancy doesn't affect my opinion of Sarah Palin. It's exactly like Shona said, this girl has a mind of her own, and I am sure her mom did the best she could to teach her.
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I agree service connected first. Right now, it doesn't matter how the person got injured or ill, if they are service connected, they get first priority. It's the amount and seriousness of the injury which determines priority.

With combat injuries first, if one vet had a bad scar issue from a combat wound and another was having a heart attack, the scar issue would come first. Also, his definition of combat related injuries is very narrow. For example, my MS from chemical weapons fire would not count. My dad's stepson's head injury from the percussion of a road side bomb wouldn't count.

That privatisation of the VA seems like a good idea, but in a lot of ways, it isn't.

For one thing, in the last two years, the VA has improved it's wait times to where they are actually a lot less than a regular dr's office. In fact, at the women's clinic, I never have to wait at all. I check in and go right back. The only place I have had to wait much is in the primary care clinic. That could be easily solved by hiring more PAs. Also, it would help if VA care were universal for all vets at no charge. So many vets who aren't priority at the VA and don't have other insurance or Medicaid wait until they are really, really ill before going in. Then, they require lots of tests and extentive treatment. Of course, for most things, they have to go to primary care first, before seeing a specialist.

I find my wait times are actually a lot longer at regular dr's offices. I waited and average of 2 or 3 hours to see my OB who forgot who I was even when my name was written on my chart, never took anything I said seriously, and spent 15 minutes with me tops including the time I spent with the nurse. I actually asked the VA if I could have my baby there. I never get less than 1/2 hour with the GYN at the VA. Not his nurse, him personally. And he remembers me and my problems.

The civilian psychologist population just doesn't know how to deal with these military mental health issues. I know this first hand. It takes special training to deal with military related mental health issues which non military/VA providers just don't have.

Combat can cause some pretty grievous injuries - both mentally and physically which are not typical among the civilian population.

The bottom line is veterans need the VA to receive the specialized care they require.

Also, until a person is a veteran, it is difficult to understand, but a vet just needs other vets - combat experienced or not. It's a comfortable place to go and just be yourself and deal with your issues and not be judged by people who are clueless about the whole military experience.

Really, it seems like a lot of money, but the whole VA system including pensions, is only a small drip in the whole government budget. Even if they closed every VA and dropped all benefits to all veterans, it would not solve any of the defict problems. Dumping vets on the already strained SSDI system is no solution either. Heck, that system is not working nearly as well as the VA. I'm supposed to go from a good system to a crappy one? Why would I want that?

I look at it this way: Only 8% of all Americans are veterans. And that number is dropping everyday with the WWII generation dropping off like flies. Since after the Vietnam War, all veterans are volunteers. Eight percent protect 100% of Americans from having to live in conditions like Mexico or Iraq. (Mexico is having a lot of problems with people being kidnapped, tortured and murdered right now.) A hundred percent can dang well take care of the 8% who have protected them so well and so long.

One more thing and I'll get off my soapbox.

Only veterans with honorable or general under honorable discharges can be served at the VA. I'm not sure what happens to the rest. I think some of the lesser offenders get some benefits. When you think about all the vets out there who did not get a general under honorable and above... well, that reduces the number even more who can be seen at the VA. Do I think people with bad conduct, etc discharges should be seen at the VA. Well, I'm torn on that one. There has to be some rewards for doing your job well and keeping your nose clean.
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I don't think dishonorable discharges should get benefits. I'd like Liz's opinion on that one though. Any other field you get fired--teaching, police, other civil servents. You get fired, arrested and tried and found guilty you lose your benefits and pension. Same should apply to the military. Sounds cut and dry. I serve my city as a teacher for 30 years....then molest a kid. Am arrested and found guilty. Should I get my pension? H*ll no. How about my health benefits on the city? Yeah right? NO free rides for bad service.
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BTW, I was told twice today at my teachers meeting to vote to Obama by my administrator. Can you say PO'd.
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Abby, they don't get benefits for the most part. However, I can see someone goes into combat fine, comes out screwed up, gets a DUI or something and then a bad discharge, well, that person still needs help and their service caused their problems... Then I worked with a guy who got an Other than Honorable for writing tons of bad checks to get out of going to Korea. I don't think he even got transistion benefits. IMO, he didn't deserve it. He was a little slime before he joined.

Sorry, everyone Vets' issues are near and dear to my heart.

Back on topic...

Sarah Palin seems like a fine person and a lovely person to have as a neighbor, but I can't afford to vote for her.
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I am not sure at all the benefits someone with something under General Under Honorable can get. I know people with a General under Other than Honorable can petition to get full benefits. For those who don't know there are several levels of discharge. If they have changed, let me know Liz.

They are:

Honorable
General Under Honorable
General Under Other than Honorable
Other than Honorable
Bad Conduct
Dishonorable

There are some benefits like burial and life insurance people with discharges below General Under Honorable get. However, I don't think folks with a Bad Conduct and Below get to be buried in VA Cemetaries or VA Life Insurance. It really pays to do what's required to get that Honorable discharge.
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BTW, I was told twice today at my teachers meeting to vote to Obama by my administrator. Can you say PO'd.
That is not right!

Kyle's uncle who is a was dishonorably discharged from the military, and he does not get VA benefits. I agree with Abby. If you get fired, you get fired, and you get no benefits. It should be the same with a dishonorable discharge.
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I'll tell you one thing, Palin is really taking the spotlight off McCain which is not a good thing (IMO). She is really taking top billing over him. Her issues are taking priority over his agenda at the convention. If I were in his shoes, I would not be nuts about this.

I know how she feels about abortion, gun control, reglion, teen pregnancy, etc (IMO these are state issues not national issues), but not on national security, the environment and most importantly to me - veterans affairs. I could really care less about abortion and gun control. I mean, I care, but only in a general back of the brain sense. I have done loads of political lobbying to help starving people, save the environment, veterans issues; heck, I even wrote the Canadian government to save baby harp seals. But I have never really gotten involved with gun control or abortion. I have things that are more important to me personally on my mind.

What I want to know out of a candidate is: What are you going to do about the economy? How are you planning on bringing back jobs to the US? How are you going to get us out of Iraq? What about global warming? Food storages? They haven't hit the US, but some third world countries are having food riots. Gas prices? Alternative energy sources? Most importantly to me, Veterans Affairs? What are you going to do about homelessness and all these forclosures? What's your big plan to make life better for the people who are not in the wealthiest 1%? The issues I really care about aren't being discussed anymore. And that's a concern to me.
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I loved the convention last night! I'll watch Palin tonight. I like her anti abortion stand. That's important to me.
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I loved the convention last night! I'll watch Palin tonight. I like her anti abortion stand. That's important to me.
Me, too, Abby! I didn't get to watch her tonight. How was it?
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She's still speaking right now - she didn't start til 10:30 EST.
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I've really enjoyed reading your opinions on this! Love hearing about what's important to you with these candidates.
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