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post #1 of 27
2/11/09 at 11:30pm
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LOS ANGELES – A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/...WOSme6biUDW7oF
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post #2 of 27
2/11/09 at 11:48pm
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It is unfair to you as a Californian to have to pay for her indulgences.
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post #3 of 27
2/12/09 at 12:03am

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I don't think she's all there...
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post #4 of 27
2/12/09 at 9:47am

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I don't think she is all there either. I understand wanting a large family. But most of us have a spouse to help with stuff even if it is just to work.
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post #5 of 27
2/12/09 at 10:01am

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I see nothing wrong with large families and I have no problem at all with a single woman deciding she wants kids. However, if you are going to take on that responsibility, make sure you can handle it on your own. You can't count on assistance to be there and quite frankly it's just irresponsible to intentionally put yourself in a situation that you and your children will need to rely on it.
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post #6 of 27
2/12/09 at 12:36pm
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And most mother's of large families (single moms or moms in relationships) only have one or two babies at a time. The odds of the babies having disabilities drops exponentally one at a time. Plus, if she had had these babies one at a time, the oldest child (now seven) would be at least 14 or 15 and able to help. And that's if she didn't take a breather in there between pregnanices of a couple of months. In most large families, the older children are actually able to help when baby #14 rolls around.

The odds that all 8 babies will be special needs throughout childhood seems to be high. She already collects SSDI on three special needs children including one with autism. This makes 11 special needs kids all under the age of 8. I have two low special needs kids and I have to tell you, it's all the work I want to take on.
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post #7 of 27
2/12/09 at 12:42pm
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In contrast, here is the Dugar family:

http://www.duggarfamily.com/

The age spread between these kids is a lot more doable. Plus, this family has money and they're not asking for anything. All the kids look healthy and fine to me. They may not all be, but it looks like they are all well taken care of.
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post #8 of 27
2/12/09 at 12:51pm

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This just pisses me off. She KNEW she wouldn't be able to take care of these kids on her own. And she was already receiving help from the state. How in the HELL could she afford in-vitro? And why didn't the clinic REFUSE to help her? The clinic is partly to blame, IMO. they KNEW she already had 6 kid, 3 with special needs. Why would they agreet o let her go thru this again?
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post #9 of 27
2/12/09 at 1:07pm

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The duggar family is awesome!

this lady.. NO not so much. I don't know what the hell she was thinking, and what the stupid doctors were doing giving her in-vitro...bah... Lets see if she has more kids in a few years!
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post #10 of 27
2/12/09 at 4:52pm

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Too bad someone couldn't have "accidently" cut her tubes or yanked out her uterus when delivering those poor adorable babies.

Have you seen them? They are darling!! Their sperm donor must be drop dead HOT because she sure as heck isn't.
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post #11 of 27
2/12/09 at 5:22pm

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^ Lololol
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post #12 of 27
2/12/09 at 5:46pm

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Elaine, I hope you don't think I have a problem with single moms because I do not. My SIL is one. Circumstances made it that way and she didn't set out to be. I don't care if a single lady wants children and has invitro. Most who make this decision know what is in store and how hard it can be.

This lady just doesn't care. She wants to go to school? Well gee who is going to pay for that, pay for the kids and everything else??? She is irresponsible at this point.

Most of us have had a child when we can't really afford them. I mean I wouldn't have chose that moment in my life to have Christian but we felt blessed anyways but to purposely set out to have that many KNOWING you can't care for them?? That's just crap!
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post #13 of 27
2/12/09 at 5:52pm

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BTW--they have a website asking for donations. Um...no. I doubt she'll get many.

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In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers.
I don't know about you but that whole article just pisses me off. Um...grants and student aid are being cut back this coming school year for people who truly need it and she wants the gov't to give her one more thing? And I don't know about you but the universities/colleges that have daycares on them still require payment. I know my college did and the waiting list was HUGE.

Uggh...I just can't say anymore...LOL
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post #14 of 27
2/12/09 at 6:15pm

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her master's degree in counseling??? WOW, how can you counsel someone... if you need it yourself... okkkiesss


I wanna go back to school but I can't even afford it right now, so I shall wait and hopefully use the GI bill
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post #15 of 27
2/12/09 at 6:26pm
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Talk to Heather (LittleBit), Lisa. She's an Army wife and in college. She probably has a lot of useful information to help you go back to school. I know the military has some deals now for family education.
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post #16 of 27
2/13/09 at 6:20am

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This women just pisses me off... and Yes Lisa, when you are ready I have some information for you on going to school. I am going to school and Federal Aid, Student Loans and some scholarships that are specifically for military spouses... Speaking of which I need to get my application in for Term 4 scholarships
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post #17 of 27
2/13/09 at 11:38am

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This woman needs a good dose of reality. People need to stop interviewing her and basically giving her money. If she can afford an attorney and a freakin publisit, then she don't need to be asking for anything. I believe thoes babies need to be taken away from her and adopted out. There is NO way she will be able to care for thoes babies AND the SIX other childern all by herself.

There was a video I watched that had her publist saying that "she is getting all kinds of calls saying that they will voulenteer to help with the babies aorund the clock for free" WTH? Why do ppl feel so bad for her? I feel bad for thoes kids.
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post #18 of 27
2/13/09 at 11:42am
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No one volunteered to help me. Besides, what kind of judgement does it show on her part even considering unknown people for child care. Heck, I barely trust relatives and child care professionals with a proven track records and degrees with my kids. Let alone some total stranger!
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post #19 of 27
2/13/09 at 12:54pm

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What made me wonder is the fact that she is getting SS disabilty for a child with ADHD???? and for an unspecified learning delay. That's according to her interview with Katie Couric. I had no clue that ADHD or an unspecified delay qualified you for a check from the government to help with care.... We have a ton of special needs Moms on here, I hope you are getting some of that money too! You all are busting your butts to take care of your kids, and not being completely irresponsible in the process.
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post #20 of 27
2/13/09 at 2:24pm

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You can get SSI for ADHD? Really? Gotta look into that for two of my kids and for Mom.

I knew the one kid of hers is autistic and is getting SSI but I hadn't heard anything about the other two's disabilities.
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post #21 of 27
2/13/09 at 3:59pm

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That is what she said in her interview with Katie Couric, that she got SSI for the Autistic child, for her one kid who has ADHD, and the other one who has an unspecified delay....

No clue if she defrauded SSI, or if that is a legit claim. I watched the whole interview today online
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post #22 of 27
2/13/09 at 9:59pm

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Here in Ont Canada, I do believe your child qualifies for this if they have ADHD.
I had a neighbor who claimed 3 of her 6 kids had Oppositional Defiant Syndrome to get money for them. (Personally I think she herself was just a scammer)
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post #23 of 27
2/13/09 at 10:22pm
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I was told I could SSDI for my dd with mild autism, but we were not interested in that. I feel weird about making money off my kids especially when they aren't too bad. It feels like scamming. KWIM? If they had really bad Down's or something, that would be different.
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post #24 of 27
2/14/09 at 6:49am

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Autism is one thing Lenora, I have friends with Autisitic kids, and it can be really hard to care for these children, let alone find respite care.
I can see that requiring additional help. But the number of kids diagnosed as ADHD are staggering and if every single one of them filed for SSI can you just imagine? There is nothing wrong with getting help you qualify for and need. But I know grown people who need SS disability and can't get it because they don't qualify (and I also know others who are skamming and getting it when they shouldn't be)... the idea of any child with a diagnosis getting a check just worries me. And this woman obviously knows how to work the system...
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post #25 of 27
2/14/09 at 10:29am
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Yes, she does. I'm just saying that I don't feel my kids have it bad enough to collect SSDI. There are people whose kids have so many problems, their cost of their care is staggering. Mine aren't that bad. Let those who really need it have it.

My problem with this woman is that she had eight more babies in a clinical way when she knew she had six kids, three of them with issues already. Now she has 11 kids with issues. This wasn't an "oops I did it again" or an "I don't believe in birth control". This was an intentional act carefully plotted out by her and her dr. The natural way is spontanous. Usually. There is nothing unplanned, unscheduled or unintentional about going to a dr and saying implant me with 8 babies.

Frankly, if you have six children, I would say your fertility problem is solved. If you still have fertilized eggs somewhere, then maybe give them to someone who needs them. You do not need to have a baby for every egg that ever gets fertilized in a lab. And if you feel you are obligated to have every one of them, then be sensable and do one or two at a time.
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post #26 of 27
2/14/09 at 11:17am

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They say she only had 6 implanted and two split, but the experts are all saying the maximum she should have been implanted with was three. She was saying in the interview that she couldn't just kill the babies... I get that. So she should have donated those fertilized eggs to someone who didn't have any, not had more kids! She's crazy no doubt about it, and she's going to get her master's degree in counseling. God help anyone she treats!
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post #27 of 27
2/14/09 at 2:48pm
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Supposedly, she got all the money for this (and apparently plastic surgery so she could look like Angelina Jolie ) through workman's comp. If she felt good enough for all that, then she wasn't that hurt and she needs to be investigated for fraud. I live in coal country where I see real industrial illness and injury. The guy (or gal) with black lung is worrying about breathing. That's serious. This woman says "hey, I got all this money. " Like she won the lottery.
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