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post #1 of 53
Thread Starter 
The ACLU is going to ruin the moral fiber of this country, if it is the last thing they do.

Ruling: Schools Can't Post 10 Commandments
ACLU Wins Lawsuit
Posted: 11:31 a.m. EDT June 14, 2002

PEEBLES, Ohio -- A federal magistrate has ruled that the Ten Commandments must be removed from high schools in southern Ohio.

The American Civil Liberties Union said Friday it won its lawsuit demanding removal of the stone tablets listing the Ten Commandments.

The tablets were donated by the Adams County Ministerial Association. They were installed in 1997 outside four public high schools in the southern Ohio county.

The ACLU said the commandments were a religious statement. It said placing them at public schools violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

U.S. Magistrate Timothy Hogan of Cincinnati upheld the ACLU's arguments this week.

Lawyers defending the Ten Commandments display said it was a valid secular exhibit because tablets bearing the Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta have been added to it.


Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
post #2 of 53
OK whatever happened to free speech....isnt' that what you woudl call it when you have the 10 commandments posted in plain sight?????
post #3 of 53
I don't think this really has to do with free speech but more about seperation of church and state. I think it is sad that God is being pushed out of our schools.
The Ten commandments are good moral rules for anyone to follow but because they are a "religeous thing" they aren't going to be allowed anywhere.
post #4 of 53
And people wonder why our country's youth are the way they are. It's a very sad commentary when a school district can't decide how they want to educate the kids.
post #5 of 53
Well I see it differently. I am actually one of those people that does not want it in my child's school. I do not want someone else to try and teach my child morals. And I feel that by putting up the 10 commandments it says to me and my child that the school is trying to push Christianity and their beliefs. Not everyone believes in the 10 commandments or follows them.
post #6 of 53
what a crock of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JMO
post #7 of 53
It is all how you look at it. If the 10 commandments are not part of your belief system then it is like someone trying to push their beliefs on you. My husband is not a Christian and has totally different beliefs.
post #8 of 53
That is true Meagan and there are ppl out there who think Like ur dh. Hope it didnt offend u
post #9 of 53
I agree with you all. What ever happened to feedom of speech?
What is going to happen next, no Christmas break or activities because some don't celebrate?
post #10 of 53
No you didn't Angie. I am used to it!
post #11 of 53
Thank goodness I was hoping not. It is kinda like me I am used to a bunch of really bad jokes about being a Mormon but I get offended sometimes cuz they are really bad ones.
post #12 of 53
Normally this type of thing would anger me beyond belief. Yet, in this case, since it IS a PUBLIC school, they honestly don't have the right to have the 10 Commandments, a clearly religious document displayed anywhere.

As for Christmas break...that doesn't exist anymore. In this country's effort to keep from offending people, it's been changed to Winter Recess.

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post #13 of 53
Well, I don't believe in Bill Clinton, either, but my kids still have to learn about him!
Seriously though, I don't want the schools trying to push any particular belief system at my children either, but I would like them to be able to learn about other's beliefs open mindedly....
But... is that possible with today's system? I suppose it opens the door for "proselytizing"... though, doesn't it? Give an inch and a mile is taken... ? What do you think?
post #14 of 53
I think that things are being carried a bit to far. What about the students, I guess they dont' get a say in what they see
post #15 of 53
I think instead of the 10 commandments they should have some sort of moral code type thing. I think the thing that most people disagree with is that the 10 commandments are from the Bible. I think that if the schools would come up with some sort of list of "rules of life" or something like that then it would go over better. But what first grader needs to see Thou Shalt not commit adultry? I mean I really do not want to have to explain that one.
post #16 of 53
We obviously do not have the same seperation of school and state over here. It seems an enormously emotional area tho. I know that when the little ones were in Kindy they were doing Hot Cross Buns and were not allowed to put crosses on them bc that is a religious symbol.

In that case addition is going to cause a problem. Taken to its extremes are they going to insist that + is a cross and should be removed. I can hear the cheers af school kids all over the world. The would be nominated for the Nobel Prize if the kids had the vote LOL
post #17 of 53
Hmm...I do believe in free speech. But I don't think the 10 commandments should be posted in public schools,just b/c of all the different religions that students might be. And you wouldn't want a child feeling uncomfortable. I think it would be more appropriate displayed in a private christian school district. JMO>
post #18 of 53
I think it's bull to...Everyone says to teach tolerance, yet they want to push our beliefs out of the way.
post #19 of 53
Real simple for me you take religion out of the schools or in this case the Ten commendments that was donated and accepted in the first place. One person spoils it then it goes to court. You can sue ppl for anything now. To get back to my point. If you can't have't then take it off our money It say
Quote:
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN GOD WE TRUST


That is how I see it, might as well take it off our money.
post #20 of 53
I don't see anything wrong with having the Ten Commandments in public schools. Even if people don't believe in them, they can at least know what the 10 Commandments are for education sake. Example, if a student was given something to read and do a report on it, it doesn't mean they have to believe what they read. More specific example, if you saw a poster with different philisophical sayings on it hanging in a public school, you don't have to believe in what the philosophers said. JMHO
post #21 of 53
Thread Starter 
Excellent point wannabe!
post #22 of 53
I have to agree with Annie. This country was founded on christian ideals and beliefs. Yet over the years, in our efforts to keep everyone happy, our founding principles have been pushed to the wayside. As a consequence, no one is happy. I am not saying that christian beliefs should be pushed on those with different beliefs (after all, diversity is a wonderful thing), but those who come to our country with different beliefs or choose to convert to a different religion should be aware that the USA is mostly christian country. I think all children should be aware of the different religions and respect them. But I don't think that we, as a country, should have to change the basic and fundamental beliefs this country was founded on to acomodate everyone else.

Doesn't the Pledge of Allegiance say "One nation under GOD"?
post #23 of 53
Thread Starter 
YEP! If you move here; DEAL WITH IT!
post #24 of 53
OK Heres MHO,
If you want the ten commandments in your school then put your kids in a religous school. I have no prob with the separation of church and state. I feel that if you want to teach your kids rweligion then put them in sunday school but leave it out of the public school system unless you are prepared to teach the kouran(spelling is prob wrong), the book of mormons and of course athiestism.
post #25 of 53
Well everyone's definition of God is different. Just because you believe in God does not mean you are a Christian. And Dan I totally agree with you!
post #26 of 53
I think it's sad that in the government's attempt to make everyone happy and in order to make sure they are protecting everyone's civil rights, they are actually leaving behind those that do believe in God. Everywhere you go, prayers can't be said and God can't be mentioned. How is that protecting the rights of the believers in God?

If in school my child has to sit through the Theory of Evolution, I want him to also have to sit through the bible's version of creation. I have no problem with Alexander learning about different religions and will encourage him to do so.

But I don't think it's fair to push all of Christianity out of our children's daily lives. Instead, it should be incorporated, along with other religions.

Many have suggested, and I think that schools should insitute, a moment of silence everyday so that children can pray, meditate, read, or whatever they choose to do.

I don't know what it is like to be discriminated against personally, but when Billy began school here in NC, his class was praying before lunch (back when they still prayed) and Billy did the sign of the cross because that's what he was used to doing (he's Catholic). His teacher slapped his hand and told him never to do that again because it was a sign of the devil.

That was a teacher showing her ignorance and I think that by taking religion out of schools, that's what we're teaching our kids. They will not be tolerant of others and their religions because they are not being exposed to it and it will only cause more problems in the world.
post #27 of 53
Lisa I am so sad for the small Billy that got slapped for making the sign of the cross. She was DUMB and shame on her.

I to try to teach Alisha about the difference in religion too. I have to admit we focus more on them at Christmas but then this sparks her attention to learn more about them.

I agree with you. Funny in Ali school it depends on the teacher if they want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and most of them do. I love the kids it was their idea at the end of the Pledge they say AMEN and I am talk Bold and Loud.
post #28 of 53
That's great for Alisha and her classmates!!

I personally think that the Pledge of Allegiance should be mandatory - unlike where I think we should be tolerant of others religions, I think EVERYONE, regardless of their nationality, should have to recite it in honor of our country.
post #29 of 53
I agree!!! TOTAlly
post #30 of 53
Thread Starter 
You are so right on both your points Awks!
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