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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
My 10 month old son was having alot of trouble drinking
from a bottle. He'd only had one bottle in 9 months. I have
to begin taking medication, so it was important he learn.
He would bite nipples, pinch them, play with them, and they
seemed to gag him. He was having a terrible time. I got these nipples with a round tip that go with the Playtex Nurser System. It's like a big round space at the top of the
nipple. He is doing so well with these! I thought I'd never
ween him. This is the only nipple he can manage to drink from. Hope this will help someone else with the same problem
post #2 of 18

Nuk?

Out of curiousity, did you try the Nuk nipples? My son's doctor recommnded them to me when I began supplementing my son with formula.

They are a really odd shape -- big and fat, yet flat at the same time. Supposedly the shape our nipple takes on once the baby latches on. Scary thought actually! LOL

My son is 8 months old now, and to this day, that is the only nipple he will take.

I also had a friend that weaned her exclusively breastfed son at around 8 or 9 months of age and he just went straight to a sippy cup. He probably never took a bottle at all in his life! He did fine with the cup, so she never worried about it. I still can't get my son to get the hang of that yet!

I'm glad you finally found something that worked! Good luck and let us know how he does!
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I tried Nuk and he liked the nipple, but he knows how to make formula gush from the ventilatin hole they have now. He kept soaking us both. But thank you for the suggestion. My son had a hard time with sippy cups that were
spillproof. I read somewhere to remove the rubber piece under the lid, but then he spilled his drink everywere. So I
just use the regular short sippy cups. Some don't spill too much.
post #4 of 18

Weaning baby

I'm so glad that you found a bottle that worked for you. Every baby is so different - I always recommend trying several different nipples because a baby might refuse to take the Playtex, and love the Avent, or vice versa.
One point worth mentioning: any time a doctor tells you that you can't nurse while taking a medication, get a second opinion. Most doctors don't have much training in lactation, and if they aren't sure if a drug is safe, they'll tell you to wean rather than taking the time to do research to see if the drug is really unsafe, or if there is an alternative treatment that would be safer.
Mothers (and doctors)are often surprised to find out that there are very few drugs that are truly incompatible with nursing. Chemotherapy drugs, illegal drugs like cocaine and PCP, and radioactive compunds are among the few drugs that really and truly can't be taken while nursing. Most drugs are safe, or safe alternatives can be found, but only if your doctor is willing to do some extra work. Very few doctors have the reference books in their office that specifically address the safety of drugs during lactation, so it is often easier for them to tell you to stop nursing.
With the AAP recommending that mothers nurse for at least a year, it is worth getting a second opinion before you wean, especially if your baby is under a year old.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I'll do that.
post #6 of 18

Your son's doctor perhaps?

Just an idea here -- but have you actually asked your *son's* doctor if it's OK to continue breastfeeding while on the medication? My doctor wouldn't even tell me yes or no when I wanted to know if my allergy medication was safe to take and breastfeed (although he let me take it throughout most of the pregnancy).

My son's doctor, however, took the time to pull those books Anne mentioned and look it up. He then came back with the exact amounts of the drug that would be passed to the baby, and together we came to the conclusion that it would not be harmful to him.

Just another thought if you're disappointed by the thought of weaning right now!
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I asked my son's doctor and he said the medication is a sedative and would definitely not be good to
take while breastfeeding. It's an anti-depressant I really need to take. My OBGYN told me it was not shown to cause any
effect on babies if taken by the mother durning pregnancy but I still would'nt take it then, just in case. Not many studies had been done to determine long term effects or anything like that. When I told my docor about this, he said taking it while pregnant would have been a bad idea. So many
conflicting opinions between doctors!
post #8 of 18
You should feel confident now that what you are doing is best for your baby. You didn't take the decision lightly and you received several supporting opinions.

I respect you for breastfeeding as long as you have -- I only lasted 8 weeks and regret it at times. You outlasted many, many moms that I know -- so pat yourself on the back!

Yes, those doctors do tend to contradict each other -- especially when it comes to pregnancy, it seems. Who do you believe these days?

Good luck to you -- please let us know how your son adjusts. I'm sure many weaning moms would like to hear -- perhaps you'll come across a few hints to make weaning easier on both of you!
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks He is really liking drinking from a bottle now. He
likes that he can hold it himself and look around while he's
eating. I still breastfeed him at night because he wakes up
alot, and it's going to be hard making myself get up and warm a bottle. But I'm going to have to make myself do it, I
guess.
post #10 of 18

Maybe he'll sleep through the night!

If it makes you feel any better, both of my children started sleeping through the night once they were weaned. The doctor said it had to do with the fact that formula has more calories than breastmilk, which keeps them fuller longer.

Whatever the reason, it was a welcome relief!
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
That makes me feel alot better. I would love for him
to sleep through the night. I've noticed if he has a
bottle before he takes a nap he sleeps longer. Thanks!
post #12 of 18

BF and meds - BF and sleeping through the night

I wanted to mention a couple of things here: first, if it is important to you to continue nursing your baby, always get a second opinion from someone KNOWLEDGEABLE about breastfeeding and medications before you decide to wean. Most doctors are so concerned about liability that they will tell you to wean if they aren't sure, rather than take the time to look up accurate information. Thomas Hale (the author of "Medications and Mother's Milk") has an excellent website that gives lots of specific information about drugs and breastfeeding that you can share with your doctor if he doesn't have access to this book. Many doctors just aren't aware of the research and information that is available, if they just know where to look: http://neonatal.ttuhsc.edu/lact/
For the record: there is lots of new research about anti-depressants and sedatives and how they affect the nursing mother, because so many mothers are taking them. The general concensus is that most of them (including Paxil, Zoloft, Ativan, and Inderal)are generally considered safe for nursing mothers. Anytime a doctor is debating the safety of a drug during lactation, he should balance the theoretical risk of taking the drug against the proven benefits of breastfeeding. In his new book, Dr. Jack Newman states that:"Drug manufacturers tend to say all drugs are contraindicated for breastfeeding mothers, in order to protect themselves from legal liability. If your health care professional's first suggestion is a medication that requires you to stop breastfeeding, you have a right to be concerned that not enough attention is being paid to the importance of breastfeeding."
As far as formula helping babies sleep longer stretches: It is true that the "average" breastfed baby tends to feed more often that the "average" formula-fed baby, but this is due to the fact that formula is harder to digest and takes longer to pass through the baby's digestive system than breastmilk, and not because formula has more calories than breastmilk. Both formula and human milk have about the same number of calories, because the formula manufacturers model their formula on human milk and try to make it as much like it as possible. Breastmilk is the "gold standard" on which formula is based.
It is a myth that formula feeding will make your baby sleep through the night. While the "average" formula-fed baby may go longer stretches than the "average" breastfed baby, the reality is that in real life, there is no such thing as an "average" baby. I have seen breastfed babies who slept through the night from day one, and formula fed babies who were still waking up during the night when they were two years old. If it were that simple to make babies sleep at night (just fill them up with formula or cereal before bedtime) then there wouldn't be hundreds of books on the market on how to get your baby to sleep through the night.
If you formula feed your baby and he sleeps through the night, then that's fantastic because all new moms like nothing better than a good night's sleep.
Be aware, though, that sometimes the price you pay for that long sleep stretch at night is more colic, more gassiness, more allergies, more ear infections, and more general illness - the younger your baby is, the more the risk is that he will have problems with formula. Although many babies do well with formula, it is important to be aware of the risks associated with formula feeding.
If you do choose to formula feed your baby, that's fine. My concern is with moms who really want to breastfeed, but switch to formula in the mistaken belief that it will guarantee them a good night's sleep, or because a misinformed health care provider tells them they have to wean because a drug isn't safe to take, without really doing the research to back up their opinion.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I'll go look there right now. I love breastfeeding and would like to continue if I can. Right now I'm having a big problem though. My son has two sharp little teeth and loves to bite while nursing and pull his head back while still hanging on by his teeth. It is very painful. But I guess I should start a new thread on that topic. Thanks so much everyone!
post #14 of 18

Biting

Biting can be frustrating (as well as painful) but babies who really want to nurse can quickly learn that they can't bite. Most babies bite at the end of a feeding when they're done and are just playing, and some will bite at the beginning if they really aren't all that hungry, or if they are impatient for the milk to let down. You have to firmly let them know that biting is just not acceptable, even if it means hurting their little feelings once or twice.
If the teeth are on the bottom, then his tongue should cover them if he is nursing correctly. Check out the article on "Teething and Biting" on my website (breastfeedingbasics.com) for more information. Biting is usually a short term problem. Good luck!
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks I'll check it out!
post #16 of 18

On biting....

Wanted to just mention that I had a tough time with biting with my first child (no real reason...just for sport! LOL). This started way before he ever had teeth and what REALLY worked for me was this: Every time your little ones bites at the breast (again, there doesn't have to be a reason for this - some babies are just more oral than others are and some simply think biting is fun and feels good!), quickly place your hand on the back of his head and gently but firmly (in one motion) pull his face *closer* to your breast - this will result in his nose and mouth being covered by your breast and he'll quickly unlatch because he won't be able to breath well through his nose (the unlatch will be almost instantaneous as this is a natural reaction to the nose being covered). When he unlatches, look him in the eyes and gently but firmly say, "Ouch, don't bite," or something similar (he'll catch on to what that means eventually), then gently relatch him and repeat if those teeth sink again, as many times as necessary. I had to do this with my marathon biter for exactly ONE week and I never got chomped on again! :-) He'll learn (fairly quickly) that his actions (biting) are interrupting what he loves most (nursing) and will eventually stop altogether.

Hope that helps!

Tonja
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks alot. I really hope it works for me, too. I've
never felt something as painful in my life!
post #18 of 18
Regarding biting...both of my sons were biters. I found that pulling them in closer to me (rather than pull them away quickly) seemed to work best. Thier noses would be somewhat covered by my breast and, viola, they would instinctively open thier mouths - releasing their grip. This is hard to do at first, because when you feel the pain, you really have to try hard not to flinch and to concentrate on bringing the baby closer. But, if you stick to it, it will help.
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